Nomar retires as a Red Sox
March 10, 2010, 3:00 pm by iYankees · 52 Comments
At the age of 36, former Boston icon, Nomar Garciaparra, announced his retirement today and he did so as a member of the Red Sox organization after signing a one-day minor-league contract. Nomar ends his career with an impressive .313/.361/.521 line and 229 homers. Much of that work was accomplished in Boston, where he hit .323/.370/.553 and 178 homers, and collected two batting titles and five All-Star appearances as a result. I think most fans – Yankee fans included – would agree that if injuries had not impeded Nomar’s production from 2004 and on, he probably would have been a Hall of Famer. Good luck to the former foe, who is now set to begin a broadcasting career with ESPN.
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I’ve always been confused about the wording in your title. When you speak about a Red Sox player, and are stating that “He is a Red Sox,” should it actually be “He is a Red Sock”?
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Its spelled: “Ster-oids”….right Nomar?
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Just say he’s better than Jeter.
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Nomar was on the juice so many years, we’ll never know how good he would have been if he played clean, like Jeter. And Jeter’s career achievements so far outclass Nomar’s, no one will even remember the name Nomar in 20 years, meanwhile generations will be looking at Jeter’s Cooperstown plaque forever.
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Jeter will make HOF yes. He is a class act. We would love to have him. But A-roid is a different story. Class-less. Reciting platitudes his PR men had him memorize. He says the same thing in every interview. Do you really think he has changed? Can’t you see that? Or are you blinded by your Yankee love.
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You’re not listening: As long as he shows up, plays hard, and supports his team mates, that’s all I care about. Want to make it more than that? Go hang out at Daisy Buccannan’s on Newbury street and watch your boy Beckett booze it up and start bar fights after night games as he frequently does….should I be evaluating him as a person too?
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Beckett is a boob too just like A-rod.
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See? We agree on something!
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We probably agree on a lot. I read your previous posts. You are a very bright guy. I’ve just read many posts on this blog site and it’s a very good blog. Only problem is many of the comments are blinded by Yankee love. It’s like a sin if anyone says anything bad about the Yankees. Especially the moderator – all that collecting of Yankee news has brain-washed him.
Cashman is a stong GM. Come on!
Nick Johnson is a good replacement for Damon/Matsui. Come on!
Chapman is great because he throws 102. Come on!
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There’s always room for civilized people to comment on sites, whether they agree or disagree. But if you come on a Yankees blogsite and spew trash, don’t expect a warm reception. I’m sorry your mother is gone, but you went too far with the age thing. Wanna talk baseball without the trash talk? Fine. Start talking about “Yankee Love” on an Yankee blog site? Expect a harsh response.
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I wasn’t calling you old Ernie. I just meant that it is ancient history, like when you said 2004/2007 are gone. That’s all.
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Thanks for referring to this as a “very good blog,” big papi. That is appreciated. And, I will say that I am not always blinded by my Yankee love. Just most of the time
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You should be proud of this blog.
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I’m just saying – all this stuff being written about A-rod changing is crazy. A person can’t do a 180 like that. And when I read naive fans believing it and saying that is why the Yankees won, it makes me throw up in my mouth.
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If it makes you so uncomfortable, then there’s no reason for you to be hanging around a Yankee fan site. Nobody is forcing you to be here, and we’d just as soon have you leave. Go to the Sox’ blog sites and listen to their b.s. so at least you can don’t have to listen to us talk about our 27 championships. Believe me, we’ll be fine here if you leave.
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Keep your fiends close, and your enemies closer
I don’t want to hear the Sox fans b.s. either. I just don’t like b.s. period. I like this site because you guys know baseball and cause I like many of the Yankee players.
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The Godfather was ‘72…did your grandfather tell you about that one, too?
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Yes, we watched it together.
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Yikes!!……I missed his last line, as I was getting ready to engage.
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What was that last line. Prepare to engage!!!!!
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Let’s see…facts only:
Offensively:
Player HR RBI Hits Runs SB OBP TB OPS WS Champion
Nomar 229 936 1747 927 95 .361 2908 .882 0
Jeter 224 1068 2747 1574 305 .388 3973 .847 5
Defensively:
Player Errors Fielding% LeagueFielding% Gold Gloves
Nomar 149 .968 .973 0
Jeter 213 .976 .972 4
Defensively, Nomar’s range was better, and Jeter has 64 errors more than Nomar over a span of 15 seasons, an average of 4.2 more per year. However, Jeter’s lifetime Fielding Percentage is higher than Nomar’s, and higher than the league average during his career (while Nomar’s is below the league average over the course of his career). Jeter has 4 gold gloves, Nomar has none. Nomar made more of the routine plays, Jeter the more spectacular plays. Nomar was sitting on the bench showing up his team and whining about his ailing body when Jeter jumped into the stands to grab that foul ball.
Offensively, its no contest. Jeter has 132 more RBI (and probably another 300-400 more to come), 1000 more hits (with another 1000 to come), 647 more runs scored (with another 400-500 to come), 210 more stolen bases (with another 100 to come), 1065 more total bases (with another 1000 to come). When you consider that Nomar played in a ballpark that made Bucky Dent a power threat, imagine how much larger Jeter’s numbers would be than Nomar’s if they switched ballparks over their careers.
Don’t even begin to discuss their post season accomplishments – its a humiliating comparison against Nomar and for Jeter, HUGE.
Most important stat: Jeter has 5 World Championship rings, Nomar has “0.” In fact, one could strongly argue that the reason the Red Sox won in 2004 was because THEY GOT RID OF NOMAR, who was widely thought to be a “cancer” in the Red Sox clubhouse. Jeter is the Captain of the Yankees, the ultimate team player, iconic player in this era.
Jeter is more popular than Nomar. Jeter dates prettier woman than Nomar ever did, or is married to. Jeter makes more money than Nomar. JETER NEVER JUICED…….how much lower would Nomar’s numbers be if he didn’t juice? Power numbers across both leagues have come down since testing was implemented…how low would a known juicer like Nomar’s have gone? How low would other power shortstop’s numbers have gone? Where would Jeter sit on offensive lists if every other shotstop’s numbers were knocked down because they played clean? Nomar’s numbers came down as he got older….Jeter is going strong even as Nomar has retired.
If you argue Nomar’s numbers would be higher if he played more seasons, remember the reason his body failed him is because of the PED’s he took along the way, which broke him down like everyone else who took them.
Jeter is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Guaranteed the only list that Nomar will be on in years to come will be the list of 103 or so names of players who tested positive for steriods in the early 2000’s when testing began.
“He’s better than Jeter.” OK…makes sense to me, understanding the comment comes from an “Red Sox Lover.”
And I don’t have a receding hairline, nor do I wear bifocals or glasses. Keep personal comments out of your posts and talk baseball. You might learn something.
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Brockton?
I’m a north shore guy…
This was too much, Twasp….very funny!
I’ve had my last exchange with Big Sloppy…you guys are more than a match for him….”no mas” for me….I’m retired (another “fight” reference…do you know it?)
(Poor Patrick getting dragged into this….)
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Roberto Duran?
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Exactly…nice job.
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you are all so blind it’s funny,when will ALL OF YOU realize that the redsox and yankees are just another baseball team without each other…cry cry cry..ever been to a redsox or yankees game away from there home field?? if so, you should have seen more redsox/yankee fans than there own team,stop crying and fell lucky you have this rivalrey
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iTarsier – please interpet Daves comments for me?
Ballpark – I’m worried that what Big Papi has said is not far off base. While Mo is way better than crazy Papelbon, and the Yankees offense blows away Bostons. If Lackey is the pitcher he was last year, then in a short series they throw Beckett Lester Buckholtz and Lackey at us they get the advantage because of AJs inconsistency and Andys age (are we asking too much from Andy to keep bailing us out at his advanced age?)
Very good pitching does stop hitting as Beckett showed us in the 03 series, Johnson/ Schilling in the 01 world series and l
Lee showed us in last years WS.
Pitching and defense trumps offense in the playoffs and I think both Boston and Seattle have moved ahead of us in those areas. We’ve improved with Gardy over JD and grandy over Melky but is it enough?
We need to train FISHjam, Ernie has retired, and Big Papi is dominating the heavyweight blogging division.
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And A-rod is spelled A-roid. He should be kept out of the HOF as a cheater, just like Mark McGuire.
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You mean, just like Manny.
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Yes, just like Manny.
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big papi….maybe Manny, but definitely that guy on HGH, Dustin Ped-roid-a.
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and Andy Pettitte
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Hay big papi..Seems like we have a skirmish line here. Ernie mentioned “Daisey Buccannan’s”, so I just toke a virtual tour of that saloon. Wow!..Can’t blame Beckett for choosing it. Oh no!,…. now poor Andy Pettitte is being drawn into this. Papi, we should go get that professor from Cambridge, go to Daisy’s, and sit down and have a beer. But….only if Beckett is not there.
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Be sure to wash off the bar stools and wear your rubber pants before you sit down at Daisy’s, Patrick…you don’t know who’s been there before you…
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Ernie…not to worry, being Irish I got fitted for a diaper early in life. Thanks for the heads up.
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Just don’t wear the diaper with the pinstripes on it to Daisy’s, unless you have a death wish.
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Ernie…understood. My Red Sox Nation diaper will be just fine.
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Yes Patrick , don’t invite Josh, not intersted in his company. Now Jeter is a different thing.
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Hay big popi…don’t go to Boston blog sites, you’ll miss out on all the neat stuff about Joba. I’d ask you if he could go to Daisy’s with us, but you would bring up his drinking & driving record, and his pitch count…. Old Ernie!…who’s next?
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Guess I have a new nickname. Funny, considering I’m 45, and still play a mean 2b.
I’m done Patrick…its all yours.
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New nickname. Ernie, what are you talking about??????
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Patrick – I can tell you are a witty guy. What’s up with Ernie? Is he a little uptight? High strung?
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That’s funny! I like Joba. I like when he pumps his fists in front of Huff’s face.
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You are misunderstanding me. I was just saying my comment was not to say you were old, i was not trying to be uncivilized, i was using the analogy that you used that if 2004/2007 is in the past than 1978 is in the past too. A good point I think.
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big papi… Ernie just left, and its cocktail hour in my my house, and I have to light prayer candles. You’re a good sport, it was fun skirmishing with you. Take care.
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You take care too Patrick!
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YOU were the one who brought up Papi breaking my heart in 2004 and 2007 – I never said anything about 2009 or 1978 until you did. And YOU were the one who mentioned your grandfather telling you about ‘78 when I mentioned it. YOU make trouble, you get what you ask for.
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Patrick – I looked through the string and it was actually Ernie who started the “trouble” with his comment: “Its spelled: “Ster-oids”….right Nomar?”
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As will my A-roid diaper.
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Yikes!…the battle that never ends! big papi, Till next time.
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As a final comment on the topic, I started nothing, BP, although I did want to clear the air a little.
Although anyone that Chris deems appropriate is permitted to participate in this site, the site focuses on the Yankees, and their are many Yankee fans who post here. The topic was Nomar and his career, and my comment had to do with Nomar’s (well documented) steriod use, which I believe should be taken into account when discussing his career and his “achievements.” As far as I know, I am allowed to comment on him if I choose, until I’m asked to leave the site. I didn’t ask for or create any “trouble,” and I didn’t direct any comments to any individuals. Please realize if you are a Sox fan, and you come on to this site, and your first comment is “he’s better than Jeter,” and you follow up with comments about our hearts being broken in 2004 and 2007, “Yankee love” (what exactly do you expect on a site called “i-Yankees?”)etc, you’ll probably meet a little resistance.
I’m done commenting on the subject. Thanks….and enjoy the site.
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I’m sure the Yankee fans on this site know about Nomar’s steroid use – your post was not to inform but to rabble-rouse and it caused trouble, Thus you started the trouble. I have a right to think at his peak his power/avg combo was better than jeter’s singles and horrendous defensive range. And if you were not so blinded by Yankee love you would see it too because you do know baseball.
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