Yanks, Tigers, D-Backs discuss blockbuster trade
December 8, 2009, 12:08 am by iYankees · 29 Comments
UPDATE (12:06 am) — It appears as though the Yankees were the organization that stalled in their decision, which has led to the current impasse. According to Joel Sherman, the Arizona-Detroit talks “feel dead,” because the Yankees believe the prospect cost is “too high.” Sherman goes on to note that the Yankees are still very interested in Granderson, however, and will likely continue to negotiate through Thursday.
11:21 pm — Via a Rosenthal and Morosi update, we learn that the Diamondbacks would receive Ian Kennedy and the Tigers would receive Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Michael Dunn. The Yankees would also get prospects from the Diamondbacks.
11:11 pm — The Tigers would reportedly receive Max Scherzer in the deal.
11:08 pm — The Yankees are never boring, that’s for sure.
From Ken Rosenthal (FOX Sports):
The Yankees, Diamondbacks and Tigers have discussed a three-way trade that would send Tigers center fielder Curtis Granderson to New York and right-hander Edwin Jackson to Arizona, major-league sources say.
The other players in the trade are not known, and the talks are at an impasse, according to one source. The proposed deal is being pushed by the D-Backs, but was rejected by at least one of the other two teams, the source says.
I wonder who rejected the proposal? I’ll have more on this throughout the night.
I’m really hoping the Yankess, if they are giving up that much just for one player
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They can’t do that! Such a rip off! I sincerely hope they aren’t actually considering that! What a terrible idea!
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I think it depends on who we would get back in the deal as far as prospects are concerned.
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I actually think it would be a great deal for the Yankees.
Austin Jackson’s ceiling is probably lower than Granderson’s, IPK is blocked by Joba and Hughes, Coke and Dunn are middle relievers. You would miss A-Jax and IPK, but, in return, you would be getting a fully realized A-Jax tomorrow (one with more power). You do that trade when you can.
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It’s too much to give up (assuming the Dbacks prospects they would have received weren’t anything special).
They would have been giving up their #6 starter, who isn’t really “blocked” by Joba or Hughes because those two would still have innings limits and other pitchers could get injured. They would also be giving up their 2nd best positional prospect, and 2nd & 3rd best LH relievers. It would have been a total of 22 years of service time, including 10 years at minimum salary, for an OF who is completely neutralized by LHP and prospects assumed to be nothing special.
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I don’t think you can really be bothered by losing two relievers, even if they are left-handed. With IPK, he is blocked as of now. He has never been projected to be more than a 4-5 starter. Losing him would be significant but it wouldn’t be a big blow given the presence of Chad Guadin and even Sergio Mitre. I think one of the RAB guys said it best in that the deal hinges on what you think A-Jax will be. Will he be better than Curtis Granderson one day? I don’t think so. Granderson has shown that he can hit lefties in the past — though it was a rarity — and has been one of the better outfielders in the game for a few years now.
To get value, sometimes you have to give up value. Even if it hurts.
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2 middle relievers who are nothing more than lefty specialists with Dunn having the most upside of the two I can deal with giving up, I see Kennedy as a guy who ends up in the pen anyway as an Aceves type with a little more power and Jackson isn’t going to be as good as Granderson is in the long run. I am fine with the deal if we even get a remotely decent prospect in return.
I agree with Chris on his points as well you aren’t giving up any of the bigger guys like Romine or someone like that and you are getting a good player in return.
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IPK is more than you are giving him credit for. Even if he is just a league average starter. That is a worth a ton considering he has two more cheap seasons then 3 years of arbitration.
Not to mention the whole he isn’t really blocked.
Granderson has those awful platoon splits that scare me since ANY LHP can easily get him out, meaning he has negative offensive value late in close games.
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I think people tend to over value Kennedy a little bit, I don’t like his abiltity to get through a lineup 3-4 times in a night I think the more exposed he is the more hittable he is. He also seems to want to pitch like a strikeout guy and use his fastballs a lot when he should pitch with the change and breaking pitches more. He has along way to go to even be a 4-5 starter and even then his value isn’t that great when he can be replaced by Gaudin, and I would assume that both Gaudin and Mitre are above Kennedy on the list to start next season.
The splits are scary but they have been proven to be only part of the story, he has hit lefites in the past, the abiltity is there.
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No, you can’t! Why not keep Austin Jackson and then find out if his ceiling is lower than Granderson’s, instead of realizing in six years that he’s much better than expected and you gave away him and Kenndey for Granderson? Coke and Dunn can go, but I really, really, really hate the idea of trading Austin Jackson for Granderson, or for anyone!
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I see that, Aubrey. I think the Yankees, with their intel on A-Jax, believe that his power will never develop to an acceptable point for them. For that reason, if they have the opportunity to acquire Granderson, who is a very good player, in exchange for their second best prospect, plus a starting pitcher coming off an aneurysm and two relievers, I think you do that trade.
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I don’t. I’m being stubborn, but I just don’t like it. I don’t like it at all. I feel like it will completely backfire.
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You’re not being stubborn it all. Your position is understandable.
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What is the proof that Jackson will be at the level of Granderson? I like Austin and I think he can possibly develop 20-25 HR power but I think in the end he will average 18-22 at the height of his potential. As a right handed hitter that isn’t bad, if he can hit .300 and steal 20+ bases he has fulfilled his potential and more but with Granderson you get a guy who is still under 30, can steal 20+ bases, hit 25-30 HRs from the left hand side and has proven he can hit .300 in the bigs.
The risks are there most notably he struggled against left handed pitching and while that does concern me he has shown he can hit them in the past and he hit .303 one year while hitting .170 against lefties, if he can even hit them in the low .200’s he is a guy who ca hit 25 HRs and hit above .300 every year. His D has been average to above average his whole career, it took a big dip when he got injured a year or two ago and he suffered UZR and RngR ratings wise but numbers are on the rise again and I think he will be fully healthy next year and will take a leap forward in defense again.
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He seems very coachable. I think Long can help him put together a somewhat respectable line against lefties.
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Then why hasn’t Detroit’s coaching figure out how to help him at least become below average against LHP?
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You never know with coaches, the way some people instruct doesn’t fit with some people and as soon as they hear it another way from a different coach it works for them. Not saying it will happen here but it’s not like it doesn’t happen a lot, I would say Gaudin made huge improvements on his change while with us, I’m sure the coaches with the Padres tried to help him but they didn’t do as well as Eiland for whatever reason.
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I wasn’t saying Long should be able to do something over the Detroit staff. Rather, I was saying a change in coaches could help him and maybe Long will work well with him.
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He did a pretty good job with Cano over the offseason, despite the fact that there’s evidently no teaching him to take a walk… could be that he has some tricks for hitting lefties.
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I do that for 2007 Granderson, but I’d rather keep AJax for a bigger trade.
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That is definitely an issue.
If the Yankees part with A-Jax for C-Grand, can they then get R-Hall?
Haha, hyphens are great.
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If we modify it, and include J-Up then Cash will reconsider…. i weesh, i weesh.
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How about that J-Up? He’s an amazing player.
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He would cost Joba/Hughes + Montero.
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Oh, yea. He’s not even available, but we can always marvel at his abilities, from a far.
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If I was the DBacks I would ask for Joba + Hughes + Montero… Upton is really special!
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If these rumors are true then the Yankees may be really inclined to try and figure a way to get Granderson this offseason, when I heard they were asking Hughes and Jackson I figured all rumors would end, maybe they are just looking for the right combination to keep Hughes out of it.
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